A plea to other old guys like me

(Posted on the GeneralConference2004 site in May 2004 as older leaders began lining up to bash the younger folk who had founded the www.generalconference2004.com unofficial site to discuss general conference issues.


THE DIFFICULT THING ABOUT GETTING OLD is adjusting to the changes in the world. When we boomers brought overhead screens into church and projected choruses on them the old folk had a hard time adjusting. When John Maxwell introduced the boomer “CEO type leadership” into the church the oldies grumbled that we weren’t being spiritual enough. It is hard to see the world change around you and most old folk can’t adapt easily to these changes. Change is seldom fluid and almost always is accompanied by upheaval.  The early adopters in a changing environment are often attacked and marginalized—as are the leaders of this web site.

WE ARE NOW IN THE MIDST OF ANOTHER MASSIVE CHANGE—we boomers are the “old guys” this time—rats! The boomers now have all the power and positions in the church.  Now, here comes this new generation with different ideas about leadership, communication, and anonymity and we find ourselves acting much like our parents did—frantically trying to fight off the next wave of changes. While it is understandable, it won’t work. The Internet age is here to stay, and the coming crowd of genXe’rs and Millennials is about to get noticed.

FACE IT, THE INTERNET HASN’T MADE MUCH DIFFERENCE TO THE CHURCH. We still print up lists of pastors and send them by “snailmail” for each of us to reference like a phone book. The next generation can’t understand why they can’t just click somewhere online to get a pastor’s address or resume—so sooner or later one will put such a list online—probably before we boomers think of it. The same is true for General Conference memorials—we print them up and send them only to delegates assuming it is none of the business of anyone else.  (For boomers who constantly have mocked the importance of district and general conferences—this is true, but younger folk actually are interested in the decisions of the church.)  The next generations don’t buy the notion of a printed book of memorials sent to a select few. They think information should be democratized and shared with everyone. They expect to have total and instant access to everything immediately and can’t understand why we boomers are still so fond of horses and carriages when they can have cars and planes. So a site like www.generalconference2004.com  was inevitable, as are a host of other sites that will surely come in the future—just watch.

BUT THERE’S MORE TO THIS SHIFT THAN IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO ALL INFORMATION. This younger generation wants to process everything publicly. It drives me crazy—but it is the way they are—they want to ‘talk everything through in community.” For instance, if a prominent pastor or professor gets overtaken in some sexual indiscretion they reject the notion of a simple “press release” that we boomers have used. They expect a public meeting where all the details are shared with everyone present and it is “processed in community.” They want to express their anger, regret, sin, and forgiveness in community and don’t like behind-the-scenes keep-it-quiet things “managed by our leaders.”  This characteristic drives me nuts for I know of the past abuses of such public services. But they think I am wrong and so far I cannot convince them otherwise. If I fail to engage them and persuade them their plan will prevail in the church sooner or later. (By the way, many of them also plan to quit removing ministers who fall—but to forgive and restore them “in community” without removal from their leadership job—I’m also trying to convince them this is a really bad plan too—but the only way to convince the next generation is to engage them, not to bash them down as disloyal.)  Thus, when there is an opportunity to “process in community” the memorials going to general conference they think this is a wonderful thing and wonder why the leaders didn’t think it up first. The notion of broadly discussing memorials in the entire church in a public setting like this seems right to them.   So we have this site.

BUT THERE’S STILL MORE—THEY ARE QUITE WILLING TO BE ANONYMOUS. We boomers are all about responsibility and individuality—that is, a person should take responsibility for what he or she says and take the lumps personally for any position—“it’s the manly thing to do.” We all know that—it is obvious (to boomers). However, the next generations don’t see things this way—and the Internet doesn’t work this way. For instance you can go to Amazon.com and trash my books with a made-up name and it will stand.  Or I could get on there and make up a name and praise them.  Same with the ratings at BizRate.com, Shopping.com and even eBay does not require real names for evaluations, but uses the “account name.”   Anonymity is how the Internet works. (I think it will eventually self-correct, but for now this is simply how it works.)  So a site where people-with-invented-names discussing denominational issues fits the emerging culture.  It is their “praise choruses on screens” innovation.  We can fight it and condemn it as wrong or unspiritual, but all we older folk will be doing is fighting the wind—and the future.               Why do they do this?  Because they are more community oriented than individually oriented like we are. They are quite happy to post or read statements without knowing who said it and treat the statements without regard or prejudice as to the source. They watch to see if statements fly or are rejected by the community. Thus when they post they often “running something up the flagpole” for the community to examine and reject or adopt. Discussion boards all over the web are full of unsigned comments—it is what a discussion board is! Like the old Citizen’s band “handles” these younger people do not feel they are being deceptive or hiding anything to use another “handle.”   And, of course it probably never occurred to us boomers that when we actually get the General Conference the votes will mostly be anonymous.  That is, if 25 people vote against a General Superintendent nobody will say, “Ok who voted no?  If you don’t have the integrity to stand up and tell us who you are then you have a spiritual problem.”  Face it, people will vote secretly at general conference—it is only the total vote we’ll know.  The younger generations have simply extended this to discussion too. 

I know I am making much of the “younger generations” here.  I work with them every day so that’s how I see it.  My wife, Sharon disagrees with this approach.  She says of this article: “You are wrong—it isn’t the younger generations—it is culture that is shifting.”  She works with adults in her deaning work—and she says what I call the “younger generational shift” is actually a total shift of culture in the information age.

We boomers just don’t get this shift and thus we respond as if those who post on this sitey have our own values—assuming they are chickens and afraid to post their names. We are too much like our parents’ generation and the way they responded to "those godless guitars" in worship—that generation honestly didn’t know that you could use a guitar or drums for God’s glory—they only knew guitars were related to the Devil’s music.

 

            NOW FOR SOME EMBARRASSING EXAMPLES

THOSE OF US WHO TEACH YOUNG PEOPLE SEE THIS SORT OF THING EVERY DAY—so we are less shocked by it. If you are a boomer and reading this post let me give you an example form my own school (I won’t mention the other schools). Here at IWU we have an official website of course, just like the headquarters has— http://www.indwes.edu. Do the students spend their time there?   Sorry--they consider it a “stale promotional site.” Guess where they go? They go to http://www.indwes.com.   A student put this together as an unofficial site. There are currently more than 5000 posts on this unofficial site on everything from dancing to chapel speakers—and none of them under the control of President Barnes or any of the rest of us. We leaders at IWU can hope the site will go away (or that nobody will ever out the link to it anywhere like I just did ;-) but any person can buy any web domain they want and this next generation does it themselves—they don’t have to hire ten thousand dollar web designers to do it. What we older people must do is stay in tune with this massive shift in the culture. We can either exclude or join this community—but there will be an Internet community of Wesleyans among these younger generations. So look for more websites uniting communities (and micro-communities) across the Wesleyan church—we are just at the beginning of experiencing this revolution in communication and community the next generations will lead. 

BUT THERE IS MORE—THEY ARE WILLING TO GET PERSONAL. These coming generations are willing to get very personal in their evaluations. I don’t like this and always try to correct it with occasional success. I try to help them see how WE see this, but I assure you they see it differently. We boomers hate this trait because when it is combined with their willingness to remain anonymous it creates a strong brew where they can attack their professors or leaders without being accountable for it personally. But understand where they come from. They believe the boomer leaders and professors have all the power to “blackball” them so their tiny power to post anonymous comments about us doesn’t even equalize the power distribution. And knowing our power to block them from getting jobs in the future they sometimes refuse to sign their name to things for fear of being exterminated as “enemies of the church.” In a way they think they are balancing the books—balancing our existing power with their anonymous power. We boomers have a standard practice of discarding anonymous comments. I know I do.

However, the world’s a-changing! In the future we are going to have to adapt to this change just like our parents finally had to adapt to our style of leadership and worship. For instance what would you think of a student site where students could go and anonymously evaluate their professors for the entire world to see? Welcome to my world! When IWU students want to check out a professor to see if they are easy or hard, interesting or boring, effective or a loser they can do so. If they wonder what other students say about Bud Bence, or Jim Lo or Charlie Alcock, or any other professor they simply go to http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTeacher.jsp?sid=447  and read the posts.   We professors of course hate this web site and ask “what can we do about it.” The answer: we can do nothing. (Other than actually encouraging students to post their evaluations there to make sure it is balanced and honest.) This is the world I live in—and it is the future world for the church—for my boomer buddies-getting-older-by-the-minute.  Evaluation of leaders will happen like the evaluation of professors above.  You tell me: why wouldn’t students used to evaluating their professors like this when they are in college just assume they should evaluate their denominational leaders too when they get out?  Times have changed. OK, can you imagine a website where all the general officers or DSs are listed and everyone could go post anonymous statements about their effectiveness after they’d had them for a meeting or conference?  HA!  Can you imagine a web site where the laity go post anonymous comments on the pastor’s message and leadership like my students do on me? Welcome to the next generation’s way of sharing information—about doctors, professors, and eventually pastors.

A sidetrack here just for fun: while typing this I thought I’d prove it.  I went to www.namesarecheap.com and bought the domain www.ratemypastor.com for $14—if I wanted to I could do a rateyourpastor web site like they have one for professors. How complicated was it?  It took me a total of 7 minutes—my students buy domain names like we boomers bought Big Macs. (UPDATE April 2005: I was willing to pay $14 to make this point a year ago—however I did not renew this site a year later..so it is no longer up) The Internet monster is already loose in our world. (Anybody want to buy RateMyPastor.com—go see the site and you’ll get your answer). 

Ok can you now imagine how somebody could easily do a RateMyPastor…or RateMyGeneralSuperintendent web site? We boomers better get used to it—this is the future—the collective ratings of individuals on the Internet will have more power than the official web site.  When we boomers consider “communication” we think of it as one way—releasing information, or “spinning” or “casting the vision” to the peons.  The coming culture expects to participate in it.  Gasp! So hold your hats boomers—the world we changed is changing beneath our firmly implanted feet. (later addition: at General Conference I discovered that a 14 year old boy actually did much of the actual sire design for www.generalconference2004--anyone now have any doubt that the younger people can do this sort of thing easier than we boomers could?)

SO WHAT ABOUT THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS? If you actually went to either www.indwes.com or www.RateMyProfessors.com you were probably startled at the frankness, openness and bluntness with which these younger folk talk about professors or the administration of “their beloved University.”  We boomers have banished negativity and call it stinkin’ thinking.’ But the next generations treat all this differently than we do. Why? Because they read all the comments as a whole seeking consensus agreement. That is, they make up their minds about issues, memorials, (and people/leaders) after they’ve read all of the comments. We boomers read each comment to decide if each one is true or false. And we read posts to make up our own mind—not to get the “sense of the community.” Not so of many younger ones—they read it to see what the group as a whole is thinking. So, like the Olympic scoring they automatically toss out the high and low scores—they simply blow off minority opinions and fringe opinions and seek the “opinion of consensus” in the group.

WHICH IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR BOOMERS TO ENGAGE THESE GENERATIONS on their web boards or wherever else they go on the Internet. They are happy to consider all views—even conservative leave-things-as-they-are-because-we-just-got-it-right boomer views—but we have to get in there and lay out our views too. For most of us boomers the Internet has merely meant is a newfangled way to send letters electronically (and post second-rate advertisements for our churches and schools). I recall in 1995 when I hatched the notion of posting and emailing the denominational devotionals from Light from the Word I got called on the carpet by the GSs for sabotaging publishing house profits and of course had to disassemble the plan.  In that confrontation one GS summed up his approach by saying, “The Internet is a passing fancy and won’t even be around in five years.”  Well, we know better now—as does that GS. The Internet is the place where people collect and discuss things.  The entire headquarters now has email and a web site. They’ve come a long way so far.  Now they will have to go some more—from “dissemination to participation.”  That ,means they will have to move from posting information to allowing participatory discussion in issues and responses to the information. If they don’t, sites like this will arise.

 

SO, MY PLEA TO OTHER OLD FOLK LIKE ME IS THIS: We need to stay in tune with how these next generations (and perhaps the culture at large is Sharon is right) plan to lead the church… we should try to talk them out of their excesses like our parents did us. It is a “community” that we can’t refuse to engage, thus we need to get in there with the younger folk, lifting their conversations to a higher level and helping them avoid some of the mistakes we made when we overthrew our parents vice-grip on leadership back in the 1970’s

--Keith Drury

keith@DruryWriting.com