Selected responses to “I’m a Gay Evangelical” column

 

è The Billy Graham fundamentalists stole “EVANGELICAL” from the Lutherans, who meant “Lutheran Protestants”  by it, and redefined it to mean “semi-Pelagian (at least)  revivalists.” Now the Christian right wants it to mean, simply, them.  Christians like Drury and me, which include many others on Abet, need to get more specific.  How about “Bible Preaching Born Again Blood-bought Parousiasts”?  I think that would  scare the Politicos from the right and the left from being identified with us, or from attempting to steal our identity. 

 

è For a few years I’ve been playing with the idea of calling myself a “post-evangelical.”  Nobody knows what it means (much as it used to be for the term “postmodern”), but at least I can have the opportunity to explain it, instead of calling myself an evangelical and letting people come to their own, probably mistaken, conclusions.  And in explaining it, I can explain what evangelical used to mean - two opportunities in one!  But, in the end, who would listen that long?  <g>

 

è There’s a new term floating around...I think I like it (at least I hope I do...one of my references just labeled me as this to an inquiring church):  Generous Orthodoxy

 

è Brian McLaren jus wrote a book entitled: A Generous Orthodoxy...I have not picked it up yet but am hoping to read it soon.  Actually, the WHOLE title is: A Generous Orthodoxy: Why I Am a Missional, Evangelical, Post/Protestant, Liberal/Conservative, Mystical/Poetic, Biblical, Charismatic/Contemplative, Fundamentalist/Calvinist, Anabaptist/Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Green, Incarnational, Depressed-yet-Hopeful, Emergent, Unfinished CHRISTIAN

Clear enough?

 

è I’m hearing the word “missional” quite a bit with the ministry masters students...

 

è  Hi, that was an interesting column regarding what you want to be called as a

Christian.  I find it striking that you want to be called anything other than His child.  So, how does your family refer to themselves? Drury clan? Evangelical Drury clan? Conservative Drury clan? Liberal Drury clan? Keith’s clan? So, why does God’s family need to be grouped under a title anyway?  Is it  not good enough to be called the family of God, a child of God, a follower of Christ.  Maybe we just want to lose that identity and have a more  “spiritual, secular identity”.  You know, compete with the world’s need to

categorize people.  Besides, with can flaunt our position in Christ with a title you know.

 

èGenerous Orthodoxy” might be the new term if we go with Brian McLaren(English Teacher turned Emergent Guru) but he stole the term from Hans Frei, but since nobody who ever read Hans Frei can get anything he’s saying because of his obtuse writing let’s credit it to McLaren—he who makes it clear ought to get the credit anyway.

 

è Hmmm?  So what am I? “Non-denominational (don’t tell the D.S. that!), non-partisan, non-racist, non-sexist follower of Jesus Christ, whom I believe to be the only Son of God who died and rose again to forgive sin and bring those who believe into a life-changing relationship with God the Father through God the Holy Spirit so that we may live a life characterized by unconditional love for all people.”  Okay, maybe that’s a bit wordy.  Perhaps a REAL relationship with God can’t be boiled down to sound bytes, church sign slogans or even—gasp—statements of belief in little blue books.  I think it’s something much more profound and mysterious than human language can denote.

 

 

è “We are a missional church in the Wesleyan Methodist tradition

Missional in that we seek to:

1) proclaim the good news of redemption and reconcialition to God through Jesus Christ to all.

2) experience the possibility of a complete spritual transformation, as God makes the grace available.

3) serve Christ and His Church with consecrated hearts and open minds.

4) build the Kingdom of God and establish a witness of God’s universal love by pursuing social justice and wholeness with all people, irrespective of race,sex, economic position, or religion.  i.e. that is we seek the same temporal rights/opportunity for all people even if they don’t attend/plan to our church.

Wesleyan in that:

-We seek the aid of the Holy Spirit to interpret Scriptures and form theology grounded in reason, and the traditions and experiences of the Church Universal.

Methodist in that:

-connectional church, shared history with Methodist etc.

(From a United Methodist who is acquainted with the Wesleyan Church)

 

è How about “Radical, Half-Crazed, Delusional Fundamentalist”?

Sad to say, that seems to be the path that we are headed, unless God moves.

 

è Well, John Hick and other “liberal” writers would consider your beliefs: “clear conversion experience, hold the Bible in high authority, believe in the Virgin birth and other miracles and still believe there is an actual heaven and hell in the afterlife” - a fundamental conservative.  Any time they refer to a “select few who still believe in...” they refer to you as a fundamental conservative.

 

è I might say you’re a “new kind of Christian” (thanks, Brian) or I like what you said, an “emerging Christian.”  People will then ask about it and you can talk through it with them.  Or what about a CHRISTIAN.  Nothing more, nothing less.  People can decide what that means...but they will probably define you as what you talked about in the article.  Or what about a Jesus follower?

 

èAs a conservative, right-wing, evangelical, fundamentalist, (add any other similar adjectives) Christian who is a Government Major at a Conservative, right-wing, evangelical, fundamentalist, etc. College dedicated to changing our culture (mostly through government.)  I would have say that the new definition of evangelical largely describes me.   However, I agree that the term should not be politicized.  I consider myself an evangelical, conservative Christian - in that order, doctrine first and political affiliation second.  Soon, though, the Democrats will start using the term to try to get the Christian vote, and it will be fully politicized.  :-(  However, many conservative Christians do not believe necessarily that 2nd and 3rd points for the “new evangelical” are Biblically necessary.  Rather, we believe that what is Biblically necessary is integrity and the obedience of our nation’s laws, a point that is to be found in scripture in several places.  At this point, a large part of our press for these 2nd and 3rd points are to support the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land.  To do otherwise would both be dishonest and would go against this law.  That’s not to say that I wouldn’t support these positions anyway (I would), but there is a legitimate moral basis for these beliefs, besides the “I think this is best for the country” attitude.

 

è That’s the limitation of language, I guess, that words really only “represent” the accepted meaning behind them.  The interesting thing is, lately I’ve found that even the word “Christian” by many people is taken to mean “right-wing political/religious fundamentalist” (which is obviously not the true definition of the word).   But it brings me to what I think is the next question—when do we accept our culture’s redefining of words like these, and when do we insist on redefining the word for our culture? 

 

è I usually just call myself a Christian and, as you said, explain further when they ask.  The only problem is when obvious (by their lifestyle) pagans say, 'Yeah, me too.' 

 

è How about our movement going back to just being…  holiness.  It is a good doctrinally all-inclusive word, familiar to enough Wesleyans to give a soothing comfort, but unfamiliar enough to others to provoke good questions and commentary!  I've always like just being…  holiness.  I hope we have not given it up!

 

è We could say that we are Semites: Semites literally means "People of the Name" and would express who we are quite well. Unfortunately, that has been used up some and those who recognize the word would likely apply it to Jews. Isn't it sad that "anti-semite" is a far more widely recognized term than "semite?" 

If the world is willing to take our words or to make up words of their own to describe us, maybe we could follow their lead: we could call ourselves gracelanders, for we above all people hope to live in a land of grace. Of course, this would probably lead to some misunderstanding with Elvis' house in Memphis. We could use middlers: we are in the middle between the world and our home. But then that would probably get confused with middle man or some such and again we would be defeated.  We could just call ourselves lovers, since that so richly describes the life we try to live and the Life that was not spared so that we could have eternal life; but then love has been so misconstrued in the world that it would cause more problems than it would solve. I think I'm going to stick with your suggestion and just remain a Christian. Then if I am asked, "What kind?" (and hopefully I will be asked) I can tell them that I'm the kind that is loved by God so much, that I have experienced and continue to experience the grace of God through Jesus Christ and that I am a traveler on The Way (not to be confused with The Way International) between my sinful self and the promised eternity of Jesus.

 

 

è Yes Keith, I have considered the same question and even though I have used the term "evangelical" much of the time, I am beginning to favor the term" orthodox."  I work with several Eastern orthodox people, and it's interesting to see their reaction to the term and gives me a chance to explain what " live " faith is to them ,as opposed to dead religiousity.  By the way, I'm not bothered by Roman Catholics that are labeled evangelicals.  I have a nephew who is R.C. and wears a shirt with John 3:16 on it . He is more excited about his faith and shares and understands it better that some so-called evangelicals (all Roman Catholic trappings aside).  

 

èI would like to suggest the term "Ultimate Judaism".  Is seems old school but progressive.  A nod to the past and a look to the future.  It already sounds arrogant so we won't have to wait for secular society to make that

claim about us as an insult.  I'm sure the theological ramifications of so closely identifying with the "old covenant" need to be considered but hey, nobody else is using it and it would be a great conversation starter.  I am obviously joking about this but I agree with your point about needing a new name.  I'm not even sure I like the term Christian anymore.  That could mean pretty much anything from ordaining homosexuals to shooting abortion doctors and anything in between.  What about older terms for Christians like followers of the way.  It's not as pithy as Evangelical  or Christian or Fundamentalist but that could be a good thing.  Because it's less pithy it is less likely to get picked up in common speech and then less likely to be corrupted my the media or mainstream society or whoever else we hold responsible.

 

è  There are definitely some Christians who think to be a good Christian you need to be a part of the religious right, but I think they are the minority.  The media perpetuates the correlation between Christian and conservative politically to the point that some lay people may assume the two typically go together.  I would hate to exclude Christians from the political arena out of fear of how the media, entertainment, or academia is going to perceive or brand it.  I suppose we could somewhat counteract the misconception if we were very vocal about the fact that we respect and love others who have different opinions than us.  Chuck Colson reminds his subscribers that Christians haven't fared very well when they have been in political power and that we need to be diligent about being marked by graciousness and humility in our political endeavors.  I would hope we can do that and still strongly support what we believe to be good public policy.  I suppose I am a bit defensive on the subject after reading some of the postmodern stuff that is so anti conservativism.

 

è I really like the term "emergent Christian."  Goes along with the emergent church! ;-)  Check out this guy's thoughts on that http://stumin.blogspot.com/2005/03/emergent-church-candles-and-incense.html  You can then check out my blog/stream of consciousness at http://geauxblog.blogspot.com ...I'm a former Baptist, turned charismatic, turned Wesleyan, turned "reformed", reformed what, I don't know yet though :-)   "in the essentials, unity"

 

è I just read a chapter in a book by Brian MacLaren (A Generous Orthodoxy) last night on the term evangelical.  He favors the term post evangelical.  I am still evaluating his ideas so not advocating just saying you might find it interesting if you have not seen it since you were questioning the term.  Along those lines, I am not sure why so many Christians are so disturbed that Christians are getting involved in conservative politics.  I don't think those of us who are politically active would say you have to agree with our politics to be a Christian?  If a bunch of Christians play tennis is that going to pose a threat where people think to be a Christian you need to also play tennis? 

 

 

 

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